In-Your-Face Racism in Cuenca

by Merna
(New York, NY)

I am currently visiting Cuenca (Oct - Nov 2012) and in the first two weeks, experienced four instances of in-your-face racism. I am an African American woman, well dressed but not in a manner to attract negative attention. My Spanish is not fluent yet but pretty good, having studied for six years in high school and practiced on my travels. The instances occurred as follows:

1. I approached a woman, speaking Spanish, to verify the address of a nail salon in downtown Cuenca. She did not listen to me. Simply looked at my face, shrugged her shoulder in an I-won't-speak-to-you-if-you-paid-me-a-million-dollars way and kept going. I later saw her in the same nail salon. I wished my Spanish were up to the standard where I could tell her how I felt about her treatment.

2. On that same day on the bus, I approached a woman to ask a question about the bus route. She simply stared ahead and acted as if I was not there. (This one seems common. See # 4 below.)

3. I was standing at the counter of an ice cream parlor waiting to place my order. A North American blonde woman walked in with her toddler, who was obviously of mixed race. She saw me standing there because she walked by me and positioned herself at the counter, close to the cash register. When the Cuencana behind the counter was ready to take order, she went to the blonde. I said, "Excuse me, I was here first." The Cuencana understood me and made a comment in quick Spanish that I did not understand. The North American blonde simply looked down and ignored me. That says to me that some expats have come here and feel free to engage in actions that they would get called on in the USA. I pick my battles. If I were not on vacation and had been living here, I would have called her out and embarrassed her to the point where either she would have left or said, "Take care of her order; she was here first."

4. I was in the bus terminal at Guayaquil, waiting for the bus to Cuenca. There were so many people that it was difficult to determine which line was which and I wanted to be sure I stood in the right line. I approached this woman, aged anywhere between 18 and 25. I received the freeze-out response. I recognized immediately what she was doing, so I asked the person behind her, who responded. As I moved away, the one in front came up with the smuggest smile you ever saw. As in, "Yeah, you think you can talk to me? Not on your life!"

Now folks, these people are going simply by the color of my skin. They do not know me. They do not know that I am a highly educated, professional woman, who could earn more in a day than they can in a month. It matters not that these women, back in the US, could not even compete with me for anything! The bottom line is that I am a black woman.

I met an expat who told me that she met a professional African American couple for whom she tried to get an apartment in her building. The owner of the building is Ecuadorian. She would not rent to them. They also had trouble finding work. Eventually, they returned to the United States.

I must say, to show the other side, that not all Ecuadorians that I have met have been like that. One said he was not aware of racism. Another said he is aware of it and the whites don't like him.

On the other hand, I am smart enough not to take the racism personally. One white European (Spain) said he has experienced where others are in line before him and people have tried to serve him first. He said his response is, "Take care of that person; I can wait." This same guy reported an incident of racism that he experienced. He stated that when he went to see an apartment, a North American guy showed up the same time and the owner simply ignored him (Spanish, white guy). The North American decided he did not want the apartment and when the Spanish white guy indicated he wanted it, he was refused. He is a white European but with an Ecuadorian wife.

This trip was to get to know Cuenca a bit, including temperature, way of life, etc. I visited other smaller cities outside of Cuenca and did not find this blatant racism. I was contemplating relocating here. Hmmmmmm.....

*****

Hi Merna.

Welcome to life in Ecuador. Racism is common here. Most of it is directed from the mixtos (mixed Spanish and indigenous blood) to the indigenous. For centuries, the mixtos managed haciendas and businesses, and the indigenous were basically slaves, especially on the haciendas. So there's lots of bad blood there.

Unfortunately, blacks are considered inferior to the indigenous, so you have the mixtos and the indigenous practicing racism towards African-Ecuadorians, and anyone else who's descended from African peoples.

As for the woman stepping up to the front of the line, that's not really racism. That's just what's done here. The gringa probably learned it the hard way herself, and has decided to push her way to the front, especially since she has a kid in tow.

I'm a bit surprised by the reactions in Guayaquil, as there are several orders of magnitude more blacks there than in Cuenca.

Most people in this country have no experience with successful, well-off black people, unless their fútbol (soccer) players.

There are several African Americans living in Cuenca. You might want to try to connect with them to see what their experiences have been.

Jeff

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Kind Response
by: Anonymous

I regret that you were made to feel rejected because of appearance.

May I share what I have learned about prejudice from an old white woman's point of view?

I have had friends of all colors. Their skin does not matter to me. But to varying degrees, it matters to them, which can sometimes be picked up and responded to without thought.

I didn't see dark skin in 'real life' until I was in high school. My only experience was on TV with Jack Benny and 'Rochester,' the butler. Some remember the show as racist. I don't. I saw it as work relations and money. Rochester was just a nice, competent man who worked for a selfish, petty man.

I had no prejudice against blacks. I was taught to make opinions only on character. One of my best friends was black - from Africa, but didn't have an attitude about her skin color, so I didn't.

For years, I had open-house parties every month with all kinds of guests. Once during a forthright conversation, a successful black man was being open on the subject of race relations.

I said I think it would be great if people would stop marrying in their own skin color for a few decades and then we'd all be brown...end of problem.

He exclaimed: "Oh, no, how horrible, we're proud of our skin color and our heritage - and it would just magnify the range of colors of brown - it wouldn't stop it being a determinator!"

So there are brown people who like being brown. And there are some who seem to hate it. I suggest a difference in how they are treated may be a response to their attitude and perception.

I think he was accepted because he had a friendly persona, comfortable eye contact and a ready smile. It broke through any preconceived notions or fears. There was no tension; he acted like us, and he was just one of us.

In having a moment of honesty on this very tender topic, please indulge my observations.

The African-Americans I know here give out mixed signals. Some radiate an attitude: You are not going to like me and I am not going to like you, and it is a set-up for misunderstandings.

Yet, many judge each other by their amount of pigment. Men of money choose women with lighter skin - as the best status symbol available. So it seems blacks don't like their skin color, but I will be disliked if I follow that example. Confusing.

If I had experienced those same snubs you did, I would not have assumed it was my skin color.

I would assume I didn't understand the non-verbal communications and gave out a barrier signal, therefore suspect. Perhaps like not knowing how to hail a cab in Manhattan.

I have done a clumsy job, but I intended to say on behalf of all people of all colors, I regret what you experienced. We would all change it if we could. No one wants people to be rejected just because of appearances.

Give us a chance to like you. Smile and we'll smile back.

Where Are Those African Americans in Cuenca?
by: Merna

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for your input. I have not run across any African Americans here. I leave on Friday the 9th. If you can point me to any before then, I will be interested in hearing how they have fared.

Thanks very much.

Good Grief, Here As Well...
by: Anonymous

I am saddened to learn of racism in Cuenca. I am aware of the treatment of the indigenous from living in Guatemala and Ecuador. The past four years and this election in the United States have obvious racist overtones. And we thought we were beyond that.

I hear you, but...
by: Merna

I understand that your response is meant to make me feel warm and fuzzy and that perhaps I misunderstood the actions of the people who were rude to me. I sincerely appreciate the effort, because you are coming from a good place.

However, please understand that I am a very strong, independent black woman and, if anything, that is the signal that might be projected. I can't help that and I won't apologize for it. It is who I am. That is what you see when you see me.

Having been black all my life, and having traveled the world with this black self, please believe me when I say I know the difference between wrong approaches/signals on my part and deliberate rudeness. My shade of blackness is n/a.

I do not intend to belabor this point because I've never had a victim mentality and I do not intend to start now. I just wanted to bring this aspect of Cuenca to people's attention because all one hears/reads is how lovely, how warm, how welcoming everyone here is. It really is not across the board and I thought that side of things should be known.

In fact, more than one white expat told me that there is division even among themselves, e.g., the southern ones don't care for the rest and other such silly prejudices exist among themselves. In their defense, because I want to provide a balanced picture, one expat told me, "No matter how stupid (attitudes) they (white expats) are, any one of them will go out of their way to help you."

Before my three-week foray here to check things out, racism was not one of the things that I had heard about. People thinking about relocating ought to know so they can make more informed decisions.

That is the sole objective of my original post.

Contacting Others
by: Steven

Hello Jeff,

Thanks to both you and Merna for your comments. I written to a few indigenous who have basically said what both of you said is true to some extent but to include that some indigenous in Cuenca don't like anyone not indigenous.

Jeff, if possible, please put me in touch with American Blacks residing there. Then I will know if relocating there would be wise or not. I've lived abroad six times and always got along with the locals everywhere. I've found that arrogant Americans or others have often messed up the scene for the rest of us.

*****

Steven, I'll see what I can do.

Jeff

Merna's Comment
by: Steve

Hi Merna,

We would like to get more details about Ecuador from you, if possible.

Thanks!

Steve

Thank You
by: Anonymous

Merna,

Thank you for sharing your story. My mom and I have been thinking of relocating to Cuenca and after reading what happened to you, I'm not too sure if Cuenca would be a good fit for our family. My mom is white and I'm mixed (African-American/white) and my son is mixed.

I would like to hear from anyone else. Sofia Hoffman, you are a native, is racism so blatant? Is it in the culture? Are there blacks from the Caribbean in Cuenca? Do they live in certain neighborhoods?

No Additional Information To Offer
by: Merna

Steven,

I reported pretty much everything that occurred during my vacation that I could attribute to racism. I held nothing back.

The objective of my visit was to determine if I could relocate there permanently. It will certainly factor into my decision.
One should consider whether the economic benefits of living there outweigh those other quality-of-life issues.

I strongly reiterate, not all native Cuencanos were rude and racist. I can vouch for my landlady (native) and her family. She is a white Cuencana who was horrified when I told her what happened to me. Her daughter-in-law told me the history of the various races, the indigenous and the blacks, how each group was involved with each other in the past, and the resulting treatment of indigenous and black people.

It is not a background that Caucasian expats may need to research since it does not affect them. Non-caucasians should consider getting some info on the topic.

Knowledge is power. It is all about making an informed decision.

My email address is mfreder517.1@gmail.com.

Regards,

Merna

Insider Perspective From an African-American
by: Anonymous

Cuenca is supposedly the "it" place right now for North American retirees. Most are your typical older white couples that you might see in Florida. We avoid contact with them like the plague. We are a couple in our 40s with two teenage kids, so we are not typical and definitely avoid the gringo hangouts. I really do not have any desire to be part of the gringo scene.

Unfortunately there is prejudice here in Cuenca, especially towards people of African descent. I am from Georgia and went to school with and have a number of friends who are of African descent (and I probably have a good amount of African blood in me since I was raised in the South and Willis is a last name of many black families in Georgia). I feel comfortable around people of all races and find the cultural differences very interesting.

When we first arrived in Cuenca, I was shocked to see the open prejudice here against black folks. Cuencanos think that all black people are criminals from Colombia or from the coast who will rob you on sight.

We live in a neighborhood on the outskirts of Cuenca, and have a black Ecuadorian man as a neighbor. He is friendly to us and we always speak whenever we meet on the road. We were warned by others never to speak to this man, since he obviously must be a robber, being a black man.

Such ignorance and racial profiling is very common here. Since Cuencanos are so prejudiced, you will find very few black Ecuadorians here in Cuenca. Cuencanos are also openly prejudiced against the indigenous people who live here. You will never see a native Cuencano speaking to an indigenous person.

Cuencanos are not politically correct and we find many to be obnoxious and ignorant. You will not read such comments on the blogs or International Living articles.

On the coast, there are many African-Ecuadorians. The food is better on the coast and the people are friendlier. In Esmeraldas, there is a large population of Ecuadorians of African descent whose ancestors arrived hundreds of years ago.

Personally, I would avoid Cuenca. We have lived here for almost 6 years and are getting ready to move to another part of Ecuador because we have learned that in other parts of the country, Ecuadorians are more open and friendly.

Cuencanos think that their city and culture are the best, but honestly there are other parts of the country that are just as beautiful, and you don't have put up with ignorant people.

Cuenca was cut off from the rest of the country for hundreds of years, and for that reason, Cuencanos have developed their own culture and way of thinking and speaking. Not all Cuencanos are bad, but they definitely have a strange way of thinking.

I think that if you do decide to come to Ecuador you would do yourself a favor to investigate other regions.

Things That Make Ya Go Hmmm
by: Mary

I have been planning to move to Cuenca for the weather first then cost of living. I have been to the UK and most of Central America alone without issues.

I'm a professional Blk female who just happens to be on the short side. So folks are always reaching things on the top shelf for me and we have a laugh.

I guess I want to know more about the other Blk folks there. Do they regret relocating? Do you feel comfortable walking alone.

My second choice is the Panama mountains but the weather is still better in Cuenca.

Any input or direction of places with open minds are great as long as the weather is not humid. I'm originally from California and now in ugh Florida with humidity & the world's worst moskeeeeters ugh!

Thanks and Happy New Years to all.

Mary

Try Uruguay
by: Anonymous

I am so sorry to hear about such issues in Ecuador. We are a gay Afro-American/white couple planning to retire to Montevideo in some years.

Our house is already bought. We have been there a few times and have never experienced any racism. Everyone has been polite, respecting, and welcoming, and we have not shied away of telling people our status. Montevideans do not see many visitors but they are always curious of where you are from, for I was often asked.

My Spanish skills are not great but people will keep engaged and not dismiss you for not knowing enough Spanish. People have kept talking to me in mile-a-minute Spanish even after telling them I don't speak well.

I don't know where you are in your decision but if it's not too late, please give Uruguay a chance. The research we did proved to be a much better fit that any other Latin American country for various reasons that are too many to get into now.

We were hoping when we move to visit other S. American countries but unfortunately after your postings, Ecuador is now off the list.

Best of luck to you.

Here It Is on the News
by: Joseph

Merna, thank you for posting this!!

I have to say, with my family literally planning/booking our "discovery" trip, this is not something I want my daughter to ever know on this level. Ultimately we were looking to set up a second home, maybe open a business or two...

I am glad I am so damn OCD about looking this kind of stuff up. Non-blacks (my wife included) are always amazed when I tell them you have to check this stuff. When I told my wife I wanted to research this aspect of life (given Argentina's culture of racism), I was told I being paranoid and that it's not going to be a problem in S. America.

Thanks again to everyone who shed some light on this very ugly side of Ecuador.

Anyway take a look below at a new broadcast:

http://dimewars.com/Video/Black-People-In-Ecuador-Face-Daily-Racism.aspx?bcmediaid=423cc049-74a5-4bb4-9d4c-60a2d6386d36

Response to Joseph
by: Merna

Thanks for the info, Joseph. I knew that what happened to me was not because I did not smile correctly or misunderstood someone.

Regards,

Merna

Are You Still Traveling?
by: Mary

I haven't been to Ecuador but I did have issues in San Jose, Costa Rica. I am from California and a business owner, looking for a place to retire and travel from.

I enjoyed Managua, Nicaragua, but the heat, ugh! So now I'm on my way back to the mountains of Panama. Touch base with me and I'll update you.

Good Luck
M.

Truths
by: Mark

Mary,

Please allow me to contact you via email about Panama as a retirement option. I'm well aware of issues in any country that has been colonized.

An African-American Perspective Based on Experience
by: Anonymous

I am Black and have lived in Ecuador for many years, mostly in Cuenca. I have been well received in most of the highest inner circles of Ecuadorian society and have had no issues all the way from the bottom to the highest echelons.

In my perspective, the prejudice here is more based on social/economic class structure than it is based on skin color. In that structure, if possible, it's best not to be perceived to be of a lower class than the person you are dealing with. In general, higher classes don't like to deal with lower classes at a certain level.

So, for example, even if you are a white gringo and they perceive you to be of middle-class, the higher classes would probably not allow you to join the upper level clubs such as exclusive golf/tennis clubs or any of their exclusive social circles. This social/economic class structure seems to be applied equally among natives and foreigners.

However, due to some prevailing ignorance with some people, they may automatically assume that a black person is of a lower social/economic class and treat you accordingly. (Note that they would treat equally any native whom they perceive to be of that same lower class regardless of skin color.)

Rather than being a skin-color issue, I think they have a problem with different social/economic classes. Having lived across several Latin American countries it has been my experience that the class structure is a problem for most of them, not just Ecuador.

I think that the problem is even worse in other Latin American countries as for the most part Ecuadorians are warm and welcoming to outsiders.

My counterintuitive advice (which probably goes counter to what you will read from others) to black people and other minorities is, if your economic situation allows, don't be perceived to be of lower class. This may of course translate to other things that may appear dumb but are effective.

For example, don't catch the public buses or you may be magnifying the degree of your perceived poverty, don't speak fluent Spanish or you may be seen as an economic migrant from one of the neighboring countries, don't live in a cheap neighborhood where, as a foreigner, you will probably pay a little more and have an impact on future rents there ... rather, live in an upscale place where everyone is most likely paying the same and is there because they can afford it and is not thinking about the economic impact of any of your actions, tip generously or you may perpetuate the prevailing ignorance that we don't tip. This advice of course is to be taken with a grain of salt, but it's based on my real-life living experience as a black expat in Latin America.

Ecuador is a great place to live as a minority as long as you have the economic means to avoid being in the lower social/economic class. So if you have a good economic level then don't let the perception of discrimination based on skin color be a factor in your decision to settle in Ecuador.

Ecuador
by: Anonymous

I have specific questions not addressed in the forum. Can I please email you? Thanks!

Steven

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I just want to thank you both soooo much for creating this web site. I am originally from Cuenca but moved to New York 11 years ago and have not being back since. My husband and I are planning on visiting Cuenca over the Summer and this web site has helped me a lot.

When I came to the US we still had the "sucre," the bus ride cost 1,000 sucres and a pack of trident gum would cost 3,000 sucres. I am very nervous to go back, but thanks to your web site I now know what to expect.

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