Gringo Prices

by Tom
(Miami)

If Cuenca is a city of +\- 500,000 and the Gringo contingent numbers in the 5,000 range and even if it increases by 5 fold, what's the big reason for escalating real estate? You are talking about less than 2% of the population now to up to 10% of the population later. I do not understand what the big fuss is all about. The same is true for other price increases blamed on the gringo.

You live there, you tell me, please.

Also if you know, given 3 areas, Bahia, Salinas and Cuenca, which enjoys the lower cost of living?

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Hi Tom.

Thanks for your great question. There are two answers to the price increase question. First, expats are forcing prices up, somewhat, by walking in and simply buying whatever they see, practically without negotiating. Whereas we wouldn't even think about buying property in North America without our first offer discounting the asking price by 10%-25%, down here, down here all sense seems to leave us.

Prices appear so cheap compared to North America that we figure we must be getting a good deal. Compared to some places in the US now, Cuenca housing is quite expensive. Yes, you can find a small one bedroom apartment for less than $50,000, if you want a small one bedroom. And yes, a three bedroom can cost less than $100,000, but that's for less than 1,100 square feet. That's a cramped apartment.

The other reason for price increases in Cuenca, according to a study done by the University of Cuenca, is returning Ecuadorians bringing boatloads of money with them from the US and Europe. That's slowed down considerably in the last year, but according to the study, a very large percentage of the price increases were due to the influx of money from repatriating Cuencans.

As for your question about Bahía, Salinas and Cuenca, Bahía has, by a large margin, the lowest cost of living, followed by Salinas. But you also have to consider what you want in your life.

Bahía has no supermarket, so for a large shop you need to travel over an hour each way to Manta. There's almost no cultural activity, except for partying along the river malecón. If you enjoy water activities, it's a great place, with a yacht club. But unless you're happy creating your own entertainment, you could be very bored there.

Salinas has two large supermarkets, one in a mall that also has a cinema complex (one that shows movies in English fairly regularly). It has many more restaurants than Bahía, but not a whole lot of culture. Nightlife, yes.

So you'll have to decide what you want out of your life in Ecuador to determine where you want to live.

Jeff

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It Takes Two
by: Toni

Whether it's Californian being accused of driving up prices or Gringos in general driving up prices, there's more to it than that.

The seller will never sell his home for less than he has to and if he sees someone willing to pay his asking price, he'll take the price. So, it's really the sellers driving up the prices, and the Gringos participating & enabling the sellers.

Gringos (I too am a Gringa) view a home purchase as a major & emotional investment, often a once or a twice in a lifetime purchase.

To obtain the best price that is fair for the seller and for the buyer, it can help to not look at any property as "the last one available." There will always be another property and often better.

Gringos need to understand that the rest of the world negotiates prices. When they catch onto that idea, prices will stabilize.

Irrespective of where the real estate is, there are always ups and downs.

Toni
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Ecuadorean Inflation
by: Jo

Jeff, I love your website ! This is a real asset to those of us who are planning to visit or move to EC so thanks !

Regarding the question about the price increase in Cuencan real estate, I've read that the normal EC inflation of about 8% is part of the issue here. Maybe not the main part, but a part. Moving from the US where RE prices are dropping like a rock makes moderately escalating real estate prices in Cuenca seem even higher. But more and more new developments are coming online, so things will shake out eventually, I hope.

I am also concerned about the increase in prices not just for us but for local folks who will be squeezed out of the RE market as a result of expats over-paying and adding to the escalation of RE prices.

US expats have strongly influenced real estate prices in Costa Rica, Panama, Uraguay, Mexico and who knows where else. Then after about 7 years they have to move because they can't afford to live there anymore. My concern is that I don't want to be part of the next "expat shuffle." I think we're running out of new "undiscovered" locations unless Thailand or Viet Nam is appealing.

I hope that all expats living in Cuenca take this issue seriously and warn visitors and new residents to haggle as if their lives depended on it. If not, we will contribute to making Cuenca the next place that locals and expats alike can't afford to live.

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